Photography as a hobby means you have endless time to work on one shot and it’s the process that sometimes gives more fun than the actual result. As your job you need to deliver results or you are out. I 100% agree with what you are saying. Well done. And the Porsche images look fantastic.
As a unit photographer i sometimes need to put out a pre production styled poster to pitch for a production, not having the shots if the production had been done then incorporating a scene around say a subject i may have photographed i can build a styled poster around my photography , i may have a old ruined room , but can add features like a broken window etc , put different clothes on a character or model if required . It is very helpful when you dont have the resources as you say or the stock photo you may have in your library.
Good video, Mark. Personally, I feel like there’s absolutely no issue with using AI for commercial photography. Real estate photographers for instance can’t choose the weather on the day of a shoot.
As a professional photographer, I love AI and its ability to make my working life easier. As a Camera Club member I cannot use all of the AI tech as any submitted work has to be my own, and that is right. So, the car image looks superb and I have no issues with you adopting it into your workflow, but when I am in Camera Club, I would have to revert to compositing the old fashioned way.
AI as a whole could indeed end life on this planet as we know it, however the same could said of electricity or nuclear technology. In terms of business- If the client is happy and you are adding value who cares what was used. AI will not take your job, someone using AI might. The genie is out of the bottle I’m afraid. I would prefer no retouching of any photos on social media as the effects on young minds is bad. But it’s there, so we have to educate our children to understand it’s not reality. People once tried to ban books and modern medicine …. We don’t know what we don’t know. Great video as ever mate.
For professionals making money, it is between you and your client! Using AI in photographic competitions is totally out of the question and against the competition rules!
Hello Mark, superb video. I looked through your catalog of videos, and I thought at one point you did an overview of how to take a color picture and turn it into a good black-and-white and Lightroom if I may have missed this somewhere, could you possibly point to the link otherwise is there a possible down the road you can do one thank you.
Great input to the AI story, As a food/drinks/portrait plus whatever they want me to shoot (No weddings :) ) photographer I use AI to enhance the output
Would you make a video of how you created and finished that photo Mark? I’d love to know exactly how you did it :) thanks for the great explanation of AI
this is where i in person say no, this is to far... that is not the location that is not the moment that is not a picture that is just a computer design. but anyway it is a paid job and if the client wants it you give it. you have to gotta pay the bills in the end. great video marky!
For myself, I don't worry about it too much. I'm a landscape / nature photographer and creating something that 'isn't real' defeats the purpose of what I set out to achieve. It isn't nature if it isn't natural.
When I was in college a hundred years ago, my professor preached that he always used "available light"-whatever light was available, be it natural or from a trunk load of lighting equipment. He used the technology of the day. AI is just a new tool to enhance our images. Purists have fought the march forward of technology since day one, be it the 35mm camera, auto exposure options, Photoshop, or digital photography. AI, like the advent of all editing software, will have its nay-sayers screaming. In the wrong hands, it can be troublesome, but just like all advances, once it becomes commonplace, the outroar will calm down. It always does.
You got some points there, but I still feel there is a huge difference when someone uses 2 lines of text to create something and someone using a self made photo and used AI to make it look better with changes. I do photography and art and in both AI has been a rather stinky thing, just because most of them are 100% fake. With art you do take a lot of time to learn the skill and sure, drawing on a tablet to be able to remove a line again and such is amazing, we could not do that this easy on paper, but creating a full blown "Art piece" in 10 seconds, that is just not how it SHOULD work. "But I do not have the time to learn it" "But I don't wanna spend the money for it" "But I could never do art" should never be a argument for using AI to do the job. It should be helping, not completely replacing it :) But that is just my 2 take :p (and the art thing was a example, but also is really a thing in photography)
What does the art do? It sounds like you are suggesting it can be cathartic and even medicinal. From that angle I’m with you. But if it’s to look good, well, that’s subjective as we know. If it’s to be unique, yea that ship has sailed with prints and counterfeiting. I do like marvelling at a piece of art and wondering how the hell it was done though. Similar to the difference between a 300 year old house/building and a new more functional one. There will be no winner in this, apart from the one that remains of course. My big feeling on this is that we should not finger wag as that always turns nasty.
I always use ai to start with, so I see how it would edit. Then reset and do my own. If ai almost nailed my work, I just fix the edits I didn't like. Sometimes ai match my mood at the time, but mostly I do my own.
Awesome shot In fairness if it’s edited in any sort of way apart from how it’s took in camera it’s all AI anyway so 1% or 100% is irrelevant as your either 💯 in or 💯 out
As a Pro we use all the tools at our disposal - including the best gear on the planet - but this is nothing without good editing since our clients are aware that AI exists - the briefs can and have become more complicated - if the brief says "I want an elephant balancing on a balloon' thats what we are expected to give them - they are simply not interested in how it is created - AI has it's place - as for AF - we NEVER use that!!
I have no problem with Ai in editing. Provided that it doesn’t substantively replace the subject, because at that point it becomes digital art and not photography. Editing with Ai is no more problematic than traditional editing where you are changing the composition, lighting, colour, retouching etc anyway. It’s just faster. The only two problems I have with Ai are the production of politically/socially motivated fake photos designed to fool people into believing a lie. And the fact that most Ai generated images/fill are of terrible quality and have logical and/or proportion errors in them and yet people seemingly are becoming worse at recognising this. I can almost always tell when something was produced by Ai, yet most people cannot. That fact that people are actually becoming less critical of what they are seeing, terrifies me.
We are all already using it, on our phones, apps and in our cameras and editing tools. When does it become unacceptable in photography, dunno haven't answered that, when it's used completely to construct an image, yes. Everything below that gets a bit blurry, removing that person, that branch. Altering the depth of field. Removing noise. I mean the moment you choose an angle of view you're manipulating what you see, so when do the lines blur anyway, AI notwithstanding. For this picture, I'd have used AI and taken the money. Put it in your portfolio, dunno, it isn't real, so no.
AI is simply a tool, that helps you work faster. You still need the knowledge, as demonstrated, to get a polished result. Could have taken a day longer to find a real location and composite it together, the result no more real than the AI assisted version.
And how many photographers would use ai ethically with slight add ups.. And how many would just generate art in seconds. Proportion vise, it will quivkly become a norm and ruin any artistism and creativity.
There are a big deference between a picture and a photo.. in my mind a photo is the pure thing, don't with a camera.. a picture is everything else.. nothing wrong with either of them..
It’s not so much the existence of AI that I hate, it’s the betrayal of the human. I mean AI being used to construct human beings etc. I dislike the liquify tool just as much for that reason and that’s been around for years. feels like you did the work here, using the tools available. If the client hasn’t been fooled, and no one has lost their job, I’m ok with it.
No. You edited it. How is that wrong? You made a choice. It worked. If anything helps us edit quicker and improve our output, then it’s a good thing. What we don’t want is one click edits, or type to edit scenarios that takes away ALL the skills we have entirely. Ai is useful, it’s all how we choose to see it.
Real? Nothing is real. Are entire would is based on the perceptions of our own senses. Want to know what is real... tell me how many times you can cut apiece of paper in half... any size... pick one and let me know the answer. #Quark. Your work is AMAZING. The Photos you CREATE with a CAMERA are no more REAL than the ;photos you create with Software Tools. All that mattes is that you made someone satisifed and happy with your results.
Why would a photographer on a pro or amateur shoot spend 30 minutes driving around wasting 33% of the allotted time trying to find somewhere suitable to photograph the subject 😆😆😆 On every shoot I do I either visit locations first or have researched them fully. But hey that's just me 🤷🏼♂️
in my point of view it loses its value. If you edit like this then i don t need your perception, your eye, because there is not. I would never ask you to make a photo for me. So, if you only take a photo of the subject and make a selection of this, then a smartphone replaces you so easy. Stop making youself useless.
@@maxheadroom6663 I am from germany, Frankfurt... I have a Boxter S from 2002...and I can really tell you no one says Porsch in germany.. Really really no one. You can watch every gernan car test with a porsche included.
Your customer is blown away as you said … mission and objective accomplished. Why bother if the background was created using AI. The main subject and the foreground are real-world depictions, so nothing wrong with enhancing the background to suit the overall dynamics of the image. I would love to see a video how you made the edit to achieve this result … 😊
Photography as a hobby means you have endless time to work on one shot and it’s the process that sometimes gives more fun than the actual result. As your job you need to deliver results or you are out. I 100% agree with what you are saying. Well done. And the Porsche images look fantastic.
Without question, the most informative and balanced explanation of AI in photography. Well done!
As a unit photographer i sometimes need to put out a pre production styled poster to pitch for a production, not having the shots if the production had been done then incorporating a scene around say a subject i may have photographed i can build a styled poster around my photography , i may have a old ruined room , but can add features like a broken window etc , put different clothes on a character or model if required . It is very helpful when you dont have the resources as you say or the stock photo you may have in your library.
AI is here to stay. Whether we like it or not; simple as that. Great video, Mark. Thanks.
Well done for making this you hit the nail on the head it’s part of the world we live in
Agreed ! Well said and explained
Good video, Mark. Personally, I feel like there’s absolutely no issue with using AI for commercial photography. Real estate photographers for instance can’t choose the weather on the day of a shoot.
Very interesting video and point of view.
Some good points there Mark!
As a professional photographer, I love AI and its ability to make my working life easier. As a Camera Club member I cannot use all of the AI tech as any submitted work has to be my own, and that is right. So, the car image looks superb and I have no issues with you adopting it into your workflow, but when I am in Camera Club, I would have to revert to compositing the old fashioned way.
AI as a whole could indeed end life on this planet as we know it, however the same could said of electricity or nuclear technology. In terms of business- If the client is happy and you are adding value who cares what was used. AI will not take your job, someone using AI might. The genie is out of the bottle I’m afraid. I would prefer no retouching of any photos on social media as the effects on young minds is bad. But it’s there, so we have to educate our children to understand it’s not reality. People once tried to ban books and modern medicine …. We don’t know what we don’t know. Great video as ever mate.
Great job. 👌
great!! Thanks!!
For professionals making money, it is between you and your client! Using AI in photographic competitions is totally out of the question and against the competition rules!
Until there is a category for AI created images…… that gets bigger, and bigger, and bigger.
Hello Mark, superb video. I looked through your catalog of videos, and I thought at one point you did an overview of how to take a color picture and turn it into a good black-and-white and Lightroom if I may have missed this somewhere, could you possibly point to the link otherwise is there a possible down the road you can do one thank you.
Great input to the AI story, As a food/drinks/portrait plus whatever they want me to shoot (No weddings :) ) photographer I use AI to enhance the output
Agree 100%
Well done!
Mark, thank you for playing devil's advocate on this.
Would you make a video of how you created and finished that photo Mark? I’d love to know exactly how you did it :) thanks for the great explanation of AI
What app do you think are the best for getting started with AI
this is where i in person say no, this is to far... that is not the location that is not the moment that is not a picture that is just a computer design. but anyway it is a paid job and if the client wants it you give it. you have to gotta pay the bills in the end. great video marky!
You are simply the best photo editor I know. Love your style.☺️👍
And you didn’t even watch the video did you?
@@WanderFeetChronicles I watch every video. 😉
For myself, I don't worry about it too much. I'm a landscape / nature photographer and creating something that 'isn't real' defeats the purpose of what I set out to achieve. It isn't nature if it isn't natural.
Mark You are absoulute right mark. By the way. Love the presets. What's the name of the program you using?
I think this is brilliant!! I struggle finding good ai images... So hard to make it work right. Any tips of prompts to get decent images?
When I was in college a hundred years ago, my professor preached that he always used "available light"-whatever light was available, be it natural or from a trunk load of lighting equipment. He used the technology of the day. AI is just a new tool to enhance our images. Purists have fought the march forward of technology since day one, be it the 35mm camera, auto exposure options, Photoshop, or digital photography. AI, like the advent of all editing software, will have its nay-sayers screaming. In the wrong hands, it can be troublesome, but just like all advances, once it becomes commonplace, the outroar will calm down. It always does.
very interesting video...the fine line between fraud and art.
Hello, great video!!!
Please tell me which program was used to edit the portrait in this video? Timeline 6.30 min.
Thank you
Ai is a pretty useful tool... But everything counts in large amounts.. Don't do a lot of Ai overkill... But the way you used it... Thumbs up.
You got some points there, but I still feel there is a huge difference when someone uses 2 lines of text to create something and someone using a self made photo and used AI to make it look better with changes.
I do photography and art and in both AI has been a rather stinky thing, just because most of them are 100% fake.
With art you do take a lot of time to learn the skill and sure, drawing on a tablet to be able to remove a line again and such is amazing, we could not do that this easy on paper, but creating a full blown "Art piece" in 10 seconds, that is just not how it SHOULD work.
"But I do not have the time to learn it" "But I don't wanna spend the money for it" "But I could never do art" should never be a argument for using AI to do the job.
It should be helping, not completely replacing it :)
But that is just my 2 take :p (and the art thing was a example, but also is really a thing in photography)
I absolutely second this
What does the art do? It sounds like you are suggesting it can be cathartic and even medicinal. From that angle I’m with you. But if it’s to look good, well, that’s subjective as we know. If it’s to be unique, yea that ship has sailed with prints and counterfeiting. I do like marvelling at a piece of art and wondering how the hell it was done though. Similar to the difference between a 300 year old house/building and a new more functional one. There will be no winner in this, apart from the one that remains of course. My big feeling on this is that we should not finger wag as that always turns nasty.
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I always use ai to start with, so I see how it would edit. Then reset and do my own. If ai almost nailed my work, I just fix the edits I didn't like. Sometimes ai match my mood at the time, but mostly I do my own.
AI is here to stay to the point where the viewer of prints will not detect AI imaging.
Awesome shot
In fairness if it’s edited in any sort of way apart from how it’s took in camera it’s all AI anyway so 1% or 100% is irrelevant as your either 💯 in or 💯 out
AI is AI, photography is photography. They should not be confused.
I do hope journalists don’t start using AI to generate images of “the real world”. Illustrations yes, but not documentary.
As a Pro we use all the tools at our disposal - including the best gear on the planet - but this is nothing without good editing since our clients are aware that AI exists - the briefs can and have become more complicated - if the brief says "I want an elephant balancing on a balloon' thats what we are expected to give them - they are simply not interested in how it is created - AI has it's place - as for AF - we NEVER use that!!
I have no problem with Ai in editing. Provided that it doesn’t substantively replace the subject, because at that point it becomes digital art and not photography. Editing with Ai is no more problematic than traditional editing where you are changing the composition, lighting, colour, retouching etc anyway. It’s just faster. The only two problems I have with Ai are the production of politically/socially motivated fake photos designed to fool people into believing a lie. And the fact that most Ai generated images/fill are of terrible quality and have logical and/or proportion errors in them and yet people seemingly are becoming worse at recognising this. I can almost always tell when something was produced by Ai, yet most people cannot. That fact that people are actually becoming less critical of what they are seeing, terrifies me.
You always talk a lot of sense Mark, and in my opinion, you do here.....
We are all already using it, on our phones, apps and in our cameras and editing tools. When does it become unacceptable in photography, dunno haven't answered that, when it's used completely to construct an image, yes. Everything below that gets a bit blurry, removing that person, that branch. Altering the depth of field. Removing noise. I mean the moment you choose an angle of view you're manipulating what you see, so when do the lines blur anyway, AI notwithstanding. For this picture, I'd have used AI and taken the money. Put it in your portfolio, dunno, it isn't real, so no.
AI is simply a tool, that helps you work faster. You still need the knowledge, as demonstrated, to get a polished result. Could have taken a day longer to find a real location and composite it together, the result no more real than the AI assisted version.
And how many photographers would use ai ethically with slight add ups.. And how many would just generate art in seconds. Proportion vise, it will quivkly become a norm and ruin any artistism and creativity.
There are a big deference between a picture and a photo.. in my mind a photo is the pure thing, don't with a camera.. a picture is everything else.. nothing wrong with either of them..
It’s not so much the existence of AI that I hate, it’s the betrayal of the human. I mean AI being used to construct human beings etc. I dislike the liquify tool just as much for that reason and that’s been around for years. feels like you did the work here, using the tools available. If the client hasn’t been fooled, and no one has lost their job, I’m ok with it.
No. You edited it. How is that wrong?
You made a choice. It worked. If anything helps us edit quicker and improve our output, then it’s a good thing.
What we don’t want is one click edits, or type to edit scenarios that takes away ALL the skills we have entirely.
Ai is useful, it’s all how we choose to see it.
Real? Nothing is real. Are entire would is based on the perceptions of our own senses. Want to know what is real... tell me how many times you can cut apiece of paper in half... any size... pick one and let me know the answer. #Quark. Your work is AMAZING. The Photos you CREATE with a CAMERA are no more REAL than the ;photos you create with Software Tools. All that mattes is that you made someone satisifed and happy with your results.
Why would a photographer on a pro or amateur shoot spend 30 minutes driving around wasting 33% of the allotted time trying to find somewhere suitable to photograph the subject 😆😆😆
On every shoot I do I either visit locations first or have researched them fully. But hey that's just me 🤷🏼♂️
in my point of view it loses its value. If you edit like this then i don t need your perception, your eye, because there is not. I would never ask you to make a photo for me. So, if you only take a photo of the subject and make a selection of this, then a smartphone replaces you so easy. Stop making youself useless.
Journalism?.....No
Please say Porscheeee.. Not Porsch 😂
No. It’s Porsch. Neither is it Porschheeeeeeeee you sound like a screaming banshee. The elitist arse hopes say Porshaaaaa. You’re neither.
Nope, Porsch(e) with a nearly mute ‘e’ is the correct german pronunciation
@@maxheadroom6663 I am from germany, Frankfurt... I have a Boxter S from 2002...and I can really tell you no one says Porsch in germany.. Really really no one.
You can watch every gernan car test with a porsche included.
@@MsGenosse Yes, you pronounce th 'e' but. not the American way PORSCHEEEEE sounding like PORSCHI
Your customer is blown away as you said … mission and objective accomplished. Why bother if the background was created using AI. The main subject and the foreground are real-world depictions, so nothing wrong with enhancing the background to suit the overall dynamics of the image. I would love to see a video how you made the edit to achieve this result … 😊
Yes, you were wrong
And another one who clearly didn’t even watch the video.
Unsubscribing since you are endorsing AI.